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as I've gotten older I've learned to consume my media more objectively and generously, and it's opened up a lot of characterization for me.  I shot my mouth off a bit early in the Hikaru Discussion thread, years ago, but I've learned how to reconcile the differences in her character and what annoyed me about it, I learned to "read" her differently.

I've also gotten less "fangirly" and more "emotionally compromised", especially reading the end of the manga.  I've been with Hikaru, Umi and Fuu for 17 years now, and they mean a lot to me and, honestly, to who I am.  I feel their feels.
Honto no Shiawase / Re: Which canon is your default?
« Last post by suzanami on December 22, 2017, 10:50:12 PM »
it's just so frustrating how the anime took one of the most important Themes of the manga story and slapped it in the face.  the rejection of self-sacrifice and Hikaru promising to herself that there will be no more meaningless deaths...  then they off Eagle to simplify the love triangle and for cheap emotional pull.  they could've easily had Eagle decide to back off Hikaru and Lantis romantically, that could be so moving if done well, but the writing in the anime is a bit clunky in general IMHO.

Hikaru was not willing to step over Eagle's body in order to assume the position of Pillar, she was ready to die with him first.  and she would've done that for anyone, and that is so important to her character, and how Umi and Fuu are the only reason she survived?  god the whole "friendship is magic" theme of the series comes to a head there.
And maybe even monsters might appear more if she's fearful or something.

Also, does Cephiro gets sad when she leaves???

L8 but oh my god I love this.  if I ever get back into writing/fic/drabbles there is some prime stuff right there.  I'm gonna be thinking about this :0
Himitsu no Kimochi / Re: Alcyone: A hated character in MKR
« Last post by suzanami on December 22, 2017, 10:42:26 PM »
Like, we know she learned magic from Clef to protect Emeraude, is that how they met? Other than maybe thinking hes good-looking, just what draws her to him enough that she wants to die with him? Did he ever do anything nice for her? Did someone else hurt her? Is this the latest in a string of bad relationships (or non-relationships) that just makes her give up hope for ever having a good one? Has she always had these kind of obsessive tendencies?

there's some damn good fic in there, especially the first one.
If I remember right, Fuu is the chef of the bunch and could probably make just about anything if she put her mind to it. Umi makes cakes, cookies, and sweets ... all the yummy stuff! XD And Hikaru ... well I can only see her going for take out. Poor Hikaru-chan ... ^_^;;
Yami no Yume / Re: What made your day today?
« Last post by Shiidou Hikaru on December 22, 2017, 03:23:41 AM »
Today was the last day of work for 2017! Wheeeeeeeeee! ^___^
Yami no Yume / Re: Introductions
« Last post by Shiidou Hikaru on December 22, 2017, 03:21:06 AM »
Hihi milady! It's always good to meet another Rayearth fan! :)
Well, now that you mention headcanons, Down, one of my own seems like it might be relevant to this discussion.

I headcanon Ferio as being someone who’s tried but found they had pretty much zero aptitude for magic. And as such, he doesn’t believe he could be any help to Emeraude. Maybe he even tried a stint in the Guard but found that wasn’t for him either.

So, when the end seems to be coming, well, one has to get through the Forest of Silence to get to the (Weirdo) Fountain of Eterna, he’s got just as much chance as anybody, but even that effort’s kind of half-hearted, as he’s not really sure he could bring himself to kill his sister himself, even though he knows it has to be done.
I think he absolutely knew the whole truth. He's probably hoping it's not ALL true. But everything they say matches up to what he knows. 

I think that's one reason why he ran (though not as far as Lantis) and lived incognito and AWAY FROM EVERYONE. Even wandering about as a traveling entertainer seems to have gone right out of the window now things are going down. He's staying far enough away that he doesn't have to know when things start going wrong. That's why they're confirming things - all he's trying to do from the start is work out if they're really the potential magic knights, if things have got that far.

I think he may have been trying to find the escudo because if HE had it then the knights wouldn't have their swords wouldn't be able to summon the mashin wouldn't be able to hurt her. But I think mostly that's just a story he was using to be able to stay with the Knights and watch them, see if they were the real deal. When they start dealing with Alcyone, that's when he knows it IS real, and knows what's coming. But they're GOOD PEOPLE, too.

I would not put it past him to have thought of getting rid of them himself. But Emeraude would just summon more people - and he knows his sister hasn't got this wrong. That's why he's been watching them.

That's why he lets them go, and then goes back to the place he's doing some good, because I think Ferio is actually in the Forest of Silence because he's trying to keep the nightmares from escaping and hurting people and Cephiro. I think he's patrolling it because that's all he can think of to do to help - he knows this is his sister's wish. He knows he can't fight it. He probably doesn't want to hang about a bunch of people who think that the magic knights are going to turn up and rescue her - because how painful would THAT be? So he's exiled himself to do what he can to help Cephiro stay whole just a little longer, to help his sister just a little longer.

I think, also, that this has been coming for long enough that it's been years since he knew this was coming. He's been mourning her the whole time, just as Clef has been, just as Lantis is mourning for his. Even if he's been pretending otherwise, even if he's been hiding where he wouldn't hear any rumours, even if he's been waiting where he's bound to run across anyone trying to get to Eterna - even if he's been watching the monsters increase and now they're confirming it's people's fears because this is going down NOW. All they're doing is confirming what he didn't want to know until he had to. (We have a panel of him, eyes shadowed, as he accepts this - just like the panels of Clef's eyes being hidden as he doesn't tell them the truth.) And he won't tell them who he is.

And that's why he's able to put on a front and why he's still standing in Rayearth 2 - he's been in mourning since before she died. At least they ended things. At least they granted his sister's wish.

She was the Pillar. He could never have stopped her wish. And he knew it.

He doesn't contradict what Clef told them. He gives them a bit more information. He's probably still hoping that somehow they might help her, some other way, if they don't know their own purpose, but he won't go with them and he won't watch this go down.

The whole 'Zagato stealing Emeraude away' thing - he probably knows it's not that simple, but he also knows that she loves Zagato, she might go with him willingly, he might tear her away from the world to try to protect her - it doesn't matter what the actual truth is, because the only thing it means is his sister has not come back to soothe her people and her land, and that means this is the ending.

Honto no Shiawase / Re: OVA FEELS!!
« Last post by Down on December 15, 2017, 10:39:27 PM »
I feel like not enough of this thread is dedicated to the fact that Ferio and Clef are apparently sent back on a mission to repopulate Cephiro with each other.

POSSIBLY with Emeraude. I don't know where I stand on her existence as more than a haunting power watching over them at the end. But she's not human anyway? And maybe Eagle but I don't think either of them are going anywhere near him and also I suspect Emeraude has ban-hammered him into another dimension for attempting to end the universe.

Also I'm not convinced Clef is ~human~ in the OVA, never have been. I know he has a priest's robes which echo Zagato's and he calls upon ~the deities~ to help him cast the timewarp instead of jumping to the left which could be a non-corrupted version of the binding-with-a-creature-and-they-fuel-your-magic variant everyone else seems to mostly have going on (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF EAGLE who is ALSO NOT HUMAN) but his magic seems to operate entirely differently. So I am more than halfway convinced he's a fae like Emeraude. And Eagle. Maybe. I dunno. It's fun to ponder.

ANYWAY my theory on the actual plot of the OVA goes: someone who likes X:1999 and Rayearth decided to smush them up together~ (like, a distant X fusion, not a crossover, but the undertone is there)

Other theory: OKAY SO the entirety of Eagle's plan is to get a hold of the three deities, who created and are earth. Who are ridiculously powerful. In order to end the universe because the universe has hurt his sister and he will take vengeance for her/the world has proven so unfair and unjust that he wants to start the universe over again, maybe it won't be so terrible next time, either way it'll wipe out all the terrible of this world and all it has done to his sister and all that it has done to him (he is so, so broken) will be DONE.

Or somewhere he thinks that the three gods who are/created earth are a powerful enough force of creation they can restore Cephiro and Zagato. I don't actually think this is what he believes - he seems far too focused on ~burn it all to nothing~ - but I DO think this might be the tale he's poisoning other minds with, the Princess's wish; the way they can undo the wrong done, the way he lured most of the population of Cephiro to their doom. By this point the few he has left are so in his grasp he doesn't necessarily need this promise to control them anyway.

This is based on a theory that the three deities are the ones who created Cephiro, and possibly the entire rest of the universe, before moving on eventually to create and rest as earth. And that legends of them were left behind in Cephiro from when they were there - that to wake them, you need the ones who can SUMMON them, who will appear when their world is in peril to save it.

SO Eagle does the obvious thing: attacks Earth in order to find the three who will wake the gods, and make them do it. (I'm pretty certain he thinks all his minions are expendable and going to die in this effort. It's not like he cares. He's killed everything else already.) And then he will defeat them however he can, and steal their gods, and break all the worlds to nothing so his sister won't hurt anymore.

Not sure if he has a coherent plan of what happens to his sister at that point, possibly she should survive to create a new universe where she will be, in effect, the Pillar - she's more powerful than he is, it's pretty clear, given it's her song he's manipulating to keep people under control - or he's beyond that and just thinks she wants this to be over and to be with Zagato. EITHER WAY ties back neatly to the ending of the first series of Rayearth (for a... given value of neatly).

Clef is a nuisance, because he's taken away the people of Earth, and it would be so much easier to break the girls if Eagle could hurt the people they love. But I don't think he cares too much about that, really. And he can maybe help the girls with magic, but in truth Clef is only a nuisance. He's not a target, he doesn't matter. Same with Ferio when he defects - Lantis, too, in so many ways, because unless Lantis can actually pull together the strength to murder Eagle (because they both saw their siblings broken by Cephiro and there's such a WEIGHT to their interactions there - I sometimes feel Eagle would let Lantis kill him, because he feels Lantis is the only person with the right to do so - the only other person who is just like Eagle himself, stuck in this because the world destroyed their family - and Lantis can't bring himself to do it, because Eagle won't FIGHT him, and they are the same) then Lantis is not going to stop him from his goal. And that goal is wake the three, get them to fight, and then break them and take their power for his own, for whatever end. (And such an end it would be, a cleansing of everything.)

At the end, when the deities leave, he doesn't stop - he can't stop - because defeating these three has become his entire goal, defeating them and tearing the universe apart.

When Emeraude says they must start over, he can't accept it - that you can start from somewhere terrible and make something new and strong of it. But that's what the three girls have done - taken a terrible situation and the destruction of their home, and forged a determination and a strength to carry on from it.

AND SO THEN Clef and Ferio are tasked with starting anew in Cephiro and repopulating it! :D

................................................................maybe with the couple of hundred people I still think Clef had locked away somewhere. But it's less funny that way.

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