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Fanon Beliefs
« on: October 23, 2012, 04:46:50 PM »
I thought it would be fun to put some lists up of things that we as the council believe about the world and characters that are not proved in the manga or that we all use in fandom that don't actually exist. Is there a subject you like to play that has no real basis in canon?

One of the ones I love to use is "The Council". I always believed there needed to be another governing body in Cephiro beside the pillar's absolute power. I feel most of--if not all--the members have inherited their seat, much like a house of lords?  I do feel that the council is almost ceremonial until the destruction of the pillar system when they have to learn how to actually govern again. I see them as being hung up on the old practices and having a VERY difficult time accepting the changes that the dissolution of the pillar system means.

Which then follows into my second belief...

Partially because I love it as a plot device, but I feel that the laws about not being able to fall in love, etc that hold the pillar a prisoner of her own heart are also an umbrella that covers all the close members of the pillar's inner circle. Because the majority of those members are no longer in their original position, they are now out of the reach of that law, save Clef, who is still very much the master mage/supreme yil. Because of the inflexability of the council it takes some time to lift this regulation that is still there. 

Though the full reasons behind the restriction are still left to the imagination.  Perhaps a romance could endanger the world of Cephiro because it could upset some bond the master mage has? Any number of things.


What do you believe?
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Re: Fanon Beliefs
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2012, 05:28:10 PM »
I have a similar Council headcanon, though I always called it the Pillar's Court.  I like the idea of its name being changed post-Emeraude, though, and the Council is perfect. *steals*

One that's always been with me is the whole "Prince" Ferio thing.  People seem to debate on this point (or, well, used to), but there's no monarchy in Cephiro.  Is the royal title for the Pillar just that, a title?  And by extension, the Pillar's siblings are thrust into positions of responsibility.  I wonder if the parents would be, as well.  (I happen to believe Emeraude and Ferio's parents are deceased because there's no other reason why they wouldn't at least be mentioned!)

Ferio didn't seem to want anything to do with that in the manga; I don't know if it's ever said why he was roaming around like a bard in MKR1.  I personally think he just couldn't stand his sister being so untouchable.  Those closest to the Pillar understood it was a prison and I think he just hated the idea and wanted to distance himself from it.  And obviously came back after Emeraude was gone and the Court/Council was trying to get their shit together while the country collapsed.  There were probably repercussions -- shirking one's official duties is always a no-no -- but I think he probably got off easy because everyone was trying to keep Cephiro from self-destructing at the time.

Post-MKR2, he has duties.  Probably a lot of appearance sort of things, keeping morale up, whatnot.  He's good at it too, being a charming sort of fellow.  The people love the whole Prince/Knight romance so Fuu does some appearances with him*.  He's a figure that gives the people hope which keeps Cephiro stable.  He's on the Council and is usually part of Big Discussions About Political Things.  He probably has other duties too, but what they are depend on the scenario I'm writing, yknow?  He's not thrilled with it, but he loves his country and wants to honor Emeraude so he does his duties with a smile (well, he whines that Clef makes him work too much, but the citizens don't know that!).


*The Knights have a lot of public relations duties, too.  Keeping the citizens hopeful and happy is key to Cephiro's stability now.

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Re: Fanon Beliefs
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2012, 07:11:35 PM »
oh spirits I SHOULD NOT BE POSTING HERE be warned: rambling about fic!structures in this post. >.< I manage to avoid it for about a paragraph and a half! Apparently this is how my brain wanted to wind down from work and up to writing I AM VERY VERY SORRY

I have...... uh, fanon for Weight of Water (Protecting You Et Al Verse) (which has grown in the writing, as tends to happen!) and then headcanon that I believe in for all my dealings with Rayearth, and sometimes I get the two muddled, but!

I believe that Ferio's title is honorific. It carries no real power, no real 'duties' as such - I think he was called up as a figurehead for Rayearth2 because a) a bunch of the most important figures pre-fall probably died fighting Zagato before the Knights ever got there and b) as Emeraude's sibling who is Still Alive he's a symbol of the old order Not Giving Up - he's a calming measure. This is based on two things: a) the titles for ranks (apart from the Pillar, who is 'the Pillar of Cephiro' or 'Emeraude-hime'/'Princess Emeraude' - I can't remember her being called 'the Princess of Cephiro' by a Cephiran, though I think Aska does it? THINGS I NEED TO CHECK FOR MY TITLES ESSAY XD) are non-Japanese words - the three exceptions are Zagato being addressed as 'Zagato-sama/Lord Zagato' AFTER he has tossed aside his role as Soru (a title which Clef never gets, and Lantis never gets) and which is mainly Alcione-only: I take this as being a title respecting his personal power, the control of Cephiro he has usurped, and is therefore not a usual part of Cephiran heirachy; the next is Emeraude, whose is addressed as hime in respectful terms but it's a form of address in respect of the power she has as Pillar, not her actual title. Then there's Ferio - whose title as 'Prince' is derived from Emeraude's, and is (imo) the same kind of respectful-but-rather-meaningless title; any power he has comes from a personal relationship with the pillar, not from his own rank. Even if it does mean something, it HAS to be terminated as power-holding on the ascension of the NEW Pillar because otherwise you'd have two families competing for power - which never goes well!

So I think they USE him as a figurehead, and that's why he spends his time not doing anything important leadership-wise that we see - and why, at the end of the manga, it's Clef as Guru who's sat there talking with the other lands, and Ferio's free to goof off and be cute at Fuu! (Not that I think he wouldn't anyway, I just think SOMEONE would make a comment. Probably Fuu. XD)

In the absence of the Pillar he probably could have gathered a powerbase (frightened people are easily lead) and challenged Clef, and (in the absence of a Soru) Clef's the only figure with codified rank left that we know of apart from Presea and LaFarga, both of whom act subordinate to him. (plus, there's that image in which Clef's the flying head with Presea below him and Ferio at the bottom which CLAMP say they drew with Clef at the top because he's highest in rank - I decided they MEANT that Ferio's lower in rank than Presea as Faru even when he's Prince, because I have to justify my fanon somewhere, right?)

TLDR: Ferio's rank = a way of distracting people from the UTTER LACK of power structure left after the fall~


......In 'council' headcanon, aaaand this is one of the reasons I have to edit the beginning of PY a little, I go back and forth. Because if Cephiro's based on the feudalism of (northern) europe, Emeraude's rank means nothing without a legitimising group to give consent to it - BUT the fact that she CONTROLS THE WHOLE OF THE LAND means she pretty much has the power to, you know, wipe out any opposition before it begins!

And if it's based on that ultimate-monarchy model which doesn't work in real life without magic (which with the god-king/queen and religious elements of the role of 'Pillar' who 'Prays' for the world all being made literal, there definitely ARE) then... there is no need for a council, for counsellors. The world belongs to the Pillar. (Given that there is no compassion or sanity check in the challenge to become Pillar that we know of - and if there were why would everyone be so worried about invading forces becoming Pillar? - I am fascinated and terrified by the idea of a despot becoming Pillar. FASCINATED. I mean - as much as anything else, that's why Emeraude had to die: she might have chosen to destory a world without Zagato... or she might have chosen to punish it. OOH LOOK THAT'S HEADCANON TOOOOOO)

Which means that the switch from one-person-power to all-people-power is, uh, a fairly literal monarchy/democracy (totallitarian/socialist?) flip which is fun to poke themantically. XD

But I do think there would have been an advisory body, to inform the Pillar what was happening all over the land - small things, things which never quite make it to people's prayers, things which the Pillar might overlook with a whole land to nurture: and this, I tend to think, was the role of the Priesthood.

Hence Zagato being so very very important: he was there to support her prayers because he was there to advise her on what she should be praying for!

BEYOND THAT I have headcanon for PY/WWverse which says there actually IS a Council, because that verse takes Cephiro as the northern-european-feudal-model-developed-to-extremes and so has the same base: the ruler rules by consent, and takes advice from those about them who control various aspects/areas of the land and can grant consent to them. But in Cephiro, where rank seems largely to depend on ability - back to those Cephiran titles again XD and the whole ideology that 'the strength of the heart becomes power' kinda weakens if it's 'the strength of the heart - and your bloodlines - become power' ??? (which is not to say it wouldn't happen because in this world it always does. >.< but! Magic making it literal! Better chance of avoiding corruption and nepotism?) AND SO the heart of THIS council of mine is the heads of the various - well, I've called them Guilds, in deference to the historical basis and the RPG terminology. XD Mages, Priests, Smiths, Guards - basically, anyone who has a title as 'master of' gets a seat. And then, to make it representative, there are the representatives of the various people - and below them come the officials from each area, the local head of the Guard and the Priests.

Also I've stuck in a Judiciary as the third main power (Mages-Judges-Priests) to form a balancing trinity because that looks more stable and I really don't think you can have humans without having some form of dispute-settlement system encoded. SO. XD;;; figuratively that turns into the Priests providing spiritual/mental guidance, the Judiciary providing physical guidance, and the mages providing guidance on the mental-becoming-physical. (which is why I decided Clef was the one with the closest bond to Cephiro left. Also why there needed to be two others of equalish power to balance him out, and so that he and one other would be able to balance the third out.)

(..........the former head judge would be, in this headcanon, one of the people who first stood up to Zagato and died for it; Clef would have needed to support them to take down Zagato, Zagato would have needed their support to take down Clef, TRINITY. Supporting the Pillar and the people! Governing the interactions between the people and Cephiro/the Pillar!)

............POSSIBLY it's SLIGHTLY VISIBLE that I was getting really into my course on the evolution of the nobility and gentry of europe when I was developing this! JUST POSSIBLY. XD

UH ANYWAY I can mix and match my terminology - I like 'council' for the codified group of people offering counsel because they're counselors? XD (in contrast to the 'Parliament' for Autozam because their role is to discuss, decide, and legislate - they have a stronger role and talking out the decisions which will be put into practise is the heart of it, there's no one to negotiate with after they've made their decision~) But the people about Emeraude - PHYSICALLY about her - I would term her court, and the two are overlapping, fluid groups of interest and influence. Lantis/LaFarga would hold more power in the Court than the Council, because being in control of the physical space about the Pillar they can control who belongs to/can access that court - which means they could also make it hard for Counsellors to access the Council - but the Council's meeting is not dependant on Emeraude's prescence in the same way as the Court; they can send messengers! Write letters! What they've debated and agreed on has importance even without her being there because they are holding individual rank! And in that context Lantis and LaFarga would have a lower rank. It's why the Guard have to be trustworthy above all else - and that would lead to a huge reaction to Lantis betraying Cephiro by abandoning his post and buggering off to flirt with the eventual-enemy~

(Hence why LaFarga is still the head of the Guard after Lantis's return and the end of Rayearth 2, in my head, and that is a thing which I believe in utterly~)

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Re: Fanon Beliefs
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2012, 08:06:52 PM »
Since I killed this thread by flailing words all over it last time let's kill it with only a few this time (especially as I gave in and posted the fic which is basically THIS):

CLEF IS A SUB.

Thank you.

(no, seriously, it makes TOO MUCH SENSE that he needs somewhere he DOESN'T have to be in control and - yeah)

(...............uh, younger members of the forum, do not google this, I mean Clef is a submissive (or has submissive tendancies) when in bed with someone. Or not in bed. XD) (Because he's so... oriented towards other people's happiness and it carries over? And sometimes someone should make him pay attention to his own happiness?) (Happiness is an euphemism~)

(..........Spirits, this is my entire reason for shipping Clef/Umi isn't it........)

ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK UP ABOUT ANYONE ELSE? *intent on not being the only person in the gutter*

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Re: Fanon Beliefs
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2012, 11:05:31 PM »
Since I killed this thread by flailing words all over it last time let's kill it with only a few this time (especially as I gave in and posted the fic which is basically THIS):

CLEF IS A SUB.

Thank you.

(no, seriously, it makes TOO MUCH SENSE that he needs somewhere he DOESN'T have to be in control and - yeah)

(...............uh, younger members of the forum, do not google this, I mean Clef is a submissive (or has submissive tendancies) when in bed with someone. Or not in bed. XD) (Because he's so... oriented towards other people's happiness and it carries over? And sometimes someone should make him pay attention to his own happiness?) (Happiness is an euphemism~)

(..........Spirits, this is my entire reason for shipping Clef/Umi isn't it........)

ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK UP ABOUT ANYONE ELSE? *intent on not being the only person in the gutter*

THIS!!! ^

ALL OF IT!!!  Because REASONS!!


I totally ship Umi/Clef because she needs someone who won't let her push them around when it counts.
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Re: Fanon Beliefs
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2012, 11:27:54 PM »
I totally ship Umi/Clef because she needs someone who won't let her push them around when it counts.

YES. And he needs someone who WILL push him, too, and basically MUTUAL STANDING UP TO EACH OTHER?

ALSO HEADCANON: apparently I have a belief that open relationships and poly ones are far more usual on Cephiro than they are on Earth! Not just accepted easier, but less unexpected? This I should blame on Lantis/Eagle/Hikaru, but actually it's Clef who thumped me with it tonight.

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Re: Fanon Beliefs
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2012, 10:12:38 PM »
AGES:  I am of the firm belief that Umi is the youngest of the three.  In my personal head canon the story starts somewhere in March or April, right around the beginning or end of the school year. Ages being right, I'd say the end. This means that Umi would have only JUST turned 14.  The other girls would have been that age for a while, and Hikaru would be the oldest.

(This also means that Umi might actually get to finish school in DD, OMG!)
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Re: Fanon Beliefs
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2012, 11:09:57 PM »
Eh, in my own head canon, Cephiro is a constitutional monarchy and is a principality at that (hence why Ferio is Prince and not King (because I also believe his parents have died)). My fanon goes that the first born becomes Pillar (some how, being Pillar runs in the Royal family (do not ask me how)), but of course, the Pillar can not have children so it is the second born that assumes the crown and then has to have at least two kids of their own.
It all went to pot in series two, because Emeraude had died but obviously Ferio had no children, so in this case, the position of Pillar has to go to someone from outside the Royal family, cue plot of series two, etc.

It would seem most of you consider the role of Prince a decorative one, but I want a Royal family, dammit  :P

And, there is also a Council, who are a partially elected government of sorts, but most are aging men who have inherited their positions. I imagine that after the abolishment of the Pillar system, the whole Cephiran landscape and climate has changed, it's no longer the land of Eternal Spring, they have seasons now. And it's the council who have to deal with this and the implications of this.

In my fanon, the position of Guru is very loosely like that of the Pope, in which there are a small selection of candidates for the job and is chosen by the council. You don't have to be the very best mage in the land, but rather a really good mage who would be best for the job (hence why there are candidates and doesn't automatically go to the best mage in the land).

Um, it's a bit half baked, I guess.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2012, 07:18:52 AM by Revolutionnaire »
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Re: Fanon Beliefs
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2012, 12:51:57 AM »
I agree on the principality notion to an extent.  In my fic canon there is a monarchy, but it and the council had always been a separate from the pillar until it came to Emeraude, and that just threw everything into chaos, that is still being restored after Rayearth 2.

I do like the Guru as pope thing.  It flows with what I think.  He was chosen for his position, but can also be removed from the position if necessary.
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Re: Fanon Beliefs
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2012, 01:29:31 AM »
It's so interesting to read all this... I haven't delved deep like you guys on Cephiro's system, but here are some ideas I have (again, they're all manga based!):

I mostly assume Cephiro's system is built on a form of meritocracy based of strength of heart/will. So people would have to constantly prove themselves to achieve and even keep some positions (RPG, yes?).

So it'd be very malleable and based on teaching/apprenticeships. Like, Clef as the Master Mage would train students who already achieved/have huge potential to achieve a certain level of magic/abilities/etc. He would be sort of the final boss/mentor to the students who seek further education/training (and maybe a position of power according to their capacity). This is why Clef was the one assigned to guide the Magic Knights; they're supposed to have the legendary power awaiting awakening and proof.

This is why I never saw Cephiro thrown into chaos after Hikaru dissolved the Pillar system. I don't believe they could predict exactly who the next Pillar would be, or even when. I'd suppose a Pillar would last a REALLY long time, enough to cover generations, especially since I don't remember even Clef knowing much about the details on the choosing of a new Pillar (but then, I need to reread the manga). (on another note, I have no theory whatsoever about how the Pillars changed without the "aid" of the Magic Knights, do they just quit? turn into flower petals? do they ever guide a potential future pillar?)

People who held the most power on Cephiro would find it a natural process to be replaced by their disciples or people who've proven themselves worthy of the position. Of course that doesn't mean they would be happy about it, most would make things difficult for others and create lots of obstacles. But those obstacles don't necessarily need to be RPG-ish quests, they could also involve political moves and strategy and whatever seems fit. So it'd be a mix of power of will, proving oneself and also having an indication.

Uh... that's it... Not nearly as thought out as you guys', but I though it out be nice to write about it and I really need to procrastinate right now.
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Re: Fanon Beliefs
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2012, 03:37:44 AM »
This is my take on the Pillar system -- there is a institution that trains young mages/soldiers (anyone with a strong will) to prepare them for positions at the Cephiro Court. Everyone aspires to be the Pillar because of the prestige it brings and because no one really knows the sacrifices that must be made until they are the final few candidates. Those final candidates who aren't chosen as Pillar tend to acquire other high positions like master mage or high priest. It's my belief that those who run the institution (some kind of High Council of old geezers or what not) are painfully aware of what happens every time a Pillar needs to be replaced (it's not the first time Magic Knights were summoned from another land) so they are always training/looking for Pillar candidates. The problem that we encounter in season 2 (no Pillar) is because the transition from the prior Pillar to Emeraude took place in such a short period of time (Emeraude was only seated for a few years) a new batch of potential Pillars couldn't be found.

^ I really, really, really couldn't get around Cephiro not having a Pillar replacement system in season 2 so I kind of headcannoned all this crap hahaha.

I don't think I ever thought too deeply on the royal family though. From what we see in the anime/manga it does seem like a decorative position...maybe whoever is Pillar at that time is the royal family? I don't know! I'll definitely think of something for this because I think one of things that makes Rayearth so interesting is the varied and different world/background CLAMP made for its characters.

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Re: Fanon Beliefs
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2012, 09:31:43 PM »
I LOVE HEADCANONSSSSSSSSSSSS I shall try not to kill the thread again though. XD

I believe that the Pillar System has been in place for a long time. All the talk about legends, people knowing part but not all of the tale, Lantis wanting to end the 'cycle', and the 'truth' of the system being unknown by the majority of the people - even the way the Cephiran's can't see how to change the system, because they have grown up with it engrained into them. All of that points, to me, to this being a well established system. One which people are so used to that they can't see beyond it. This is STRONG in me because for me it's one of the main themes I see in Rayearth - the outside influence can sometimes see clearer, how to balance that with the knowledge of the insider for change where needed in the right direction without losing your identity~

BUT ANYWAY I believe it has been there for a LONG TIME, certainly a good handful of generations. I believe there have been other magic knights. And that quite possibly there is no way for the Pillar to pass on without them - that some of the ones who have been called have been called not because the Pillar has fallen in love, but because they have gone on too long, and they need to pass on. That some have been called not because the Pillar has fallen in love with someone else, but because they have fallen out of love with Cephiro, or just that their wish has slowly changed over the years as THEY have changed with the duties, and maybe some burn out. And every time the Knights need to be called, because the Knights are from outside the system - no one from Cephiro can kill the Pillar, because the Pillar IS Cephiro, and CONTROLS Cephiro. So they cannot kill themselves directly, the land would die with them, and no one from within Cephiro can kill their creator because - well, they would be killing the land, in their mind/heart, which might well damage Cephiro too much for a new Pillar to be found before the disintergration is irreversible? So the knights are an essential part of this process, as they come from outside and are not under the influence of the Pillar, not within that power and belief structure?

And I think - I think Clef may have been Guru since about halfway through the reign of the previous pillar, but that the Soru and the head of the Guard were the two who were meant to be close to the Pillar and support them. I'm not sure he actually knew what happened during the fall - and that during the chaos, the old Soru and a lot of the old Guards were killed. Then his student, Emeraude, becomes the new Pillar, and because he (as less involved) survived through the chaos he is the one who helps chose the new Soru and Guard - and he has been the Guru for a while now, so they're his students too. But because Emeraude is his student, because Zagato and Lantis are, he is more involved with supporting her this time. And so... he sees what happens, and he begins to doubt, to question the basis of Cephiro.

I also think that Emeraude is Pillar for at least a few years, probably closer to a decade. So there's time for things to slowly develop between her and Zagato, and then time for Lantis to leave and wander the worlds, for Ferio to vanish into the forests? Basically TIME EVERYWHERE, ALL THE EPIC! XD

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Re: Fanon Beliefs
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2012, 02:46:25 AM »
This is my take on the Pillar system -- there is a institution that trains young mages/soldiers (anyone with a strong will) to prepare them for positions at the Cephiro Court. Everyone aspires to be the Pillar because of the prestige it brings and because no one really knows the sacrifices that must be made until they are the final few candidates. Those final candidates who aren't chosen as Pillar tend to acquire other high positions like master mage or high priest. It's my belief that those who run the institution (some kind of High Council of old geezers or what not) are painfully aware of what happens every time a Pillar needs to be replaced (it's not the first time Magic Knights were summoned from another land) so they are always training/looking for Pillar candidates. The problem that we encounter in season 2 (no Pillar) is because the transition from the prior Pillar to Emeraude took place in such a short period of time (Emeraude was only seated for a few years) a new batch of potential Pillars couldn't be found.

^ I really, really, really couldn't get around Cephiro not having a Pillar replacement system in season 2 so I kind of headcannoned all this crap hahaha.

I LOOOOOOOVE THIS.  Adopting headcanon now.

Also Clef's position being similar to the pope's.  I always had that concept in my mind but never really made the literal connection.  Yes yes this.

Re: Fanon Beliefs
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2012, 10:15:12 PM »
I LOOOOOOOVE THIS.  Adopting headcanon now.

Also Clef's position being similar to the pope's.  I always had that concept in my mind but never really made the literal connection.  Yes yes this.
YAYAYAY :D A pre-knights Cephiro story has been bugging me for the longest time but I am probably the most undedicated, writer's-block-ridden-writer ever. EVER. But I'll get around to it eventually...or yunno if anyone else wants to do it *encourages*

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Re: Fanon Beliefs
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2013, 05:54:20 PM »
I was just thinking how a lot of these are grand-scale headcanons, but I have itty-bitty ones, too.

Like: I've always thought that the Knights are surprised to learn that flowers and plants don't need watered.  I mean, rain seems to be a sign of the country being unstable.  So it probably doesn't normally rain in Cephiro.  Which means plants must not need it to thrive.  Hell, I'm half-surprised people need to eat with the way Will Is All is sometimes handled. (in canon and fanwork)

Birthdays aren't a huge thing in Cephiro.  For one, you just have so many...  And also the culture just isn't big on it.  The Knights introduce the tradition a little bit to their friends.  Ferio's birthday is in early summer.