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Honto no Shiawase / Re: Rayearth Rayearth Rayearth
« on: May 10, 2018, 05:30:03 PM »
*rayearths* Rayearth rayearth, rayearth.

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Yumeiro no Tsubasa / Re: Plot Mokonas
« on: May 10, 2018, 02:15:09 PM »
A series of awkward blind dates featuring character pairings you donít see hitting it off.

Possible suggestions: Fuu/Ascot, Umi/Lantis, Caldina/Clef

*BONUS* The awkward blind date somehow leads to couples you actually ship getting together.

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Well, now that you mention headcanons, Down, one of my own seems like it might be relevant to this discussion.

I headcanon Ferio as being someone who’s tried but found they had pretty much zero aptitude for magic. And as such, he doesn’t believe he could be any help to Emeraude. Maybe he even tried a stint in the Guard but found that wasn’t for him either.

So, when the end seems to be coming, well, one has to get through the Forest of Silence to get to the (Weirdo) Fountain of Eterna, he’s got just as much chance as anybody, but even that effort’s kind of half-hearted, as he’s not really sure he could bring himself to kill his sister himself, even though he knows it has to be done.

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Himitsu no Kimochi / Re: Alcyone: A hated character in MKR
« on: December 15, 2017, 09:36:15 AM »
Yeah, as just about everybody has said in some way or another, Alcyone is just a flat character whose only character trait seems to be that she’s obsessed with a guy who’s not into her, and rather than fleshing her out, the anime just chose to double down on it.

Things they could’ve done to make her more interesting: Actually explain why or how she got to be so obsessed with Zagato. Like, we know she learned magic from Clef to protect Emeraude, is that how they met? Other than maybe thinking he’s good-looking, just what draws her to him enough that she wants to die with him? Did he ever do anything nice for her? Did someone else hurt her? Is this the latest in a string of bad relationships (or non-relationships) that just makes her give up hope for ever having a good one? Has she always had these kind of obsessive tendencies?

Still not my least favorite, though. That spot’s reserved by Sierra, for being a giant plot hole badly disguised as a character. Like, Alcyone might be one-note, but at least she’s remotely plausible.

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Honto no Shiawase / Re: Prejudice and the Nature of the Beast Summon
« on: December 08, 2017, 06:04:43 AM »
Imo it's fair simple: the summoners in Cephiro have a bad rep, and like Ascot's they may have given too much freedom to untamed creatures and abused their power, especially before Cephiro got out of control without the pilar protection. Ascot is just one of them (or the last of them, maybe)
Cephiro having a history of bad summoners is another possibility, yes, or perhaps just them being blamed for regular monster attacks. It could also be that summoning lends itself more to abuse of power than other forms of magic, considering that it involves one person directing the actions of other at least semi-sentient creatures. Though, given that Emeraude was constantly praying for peace, I canít see a bad summoner being able to cause too much trouble, but enough of them being enough of a nuisance to get a bad reputation seems possible. Really, any relationship in which one party holds almost all the control is very susceptible to abuse of some sort.

I like to add elements/stipulations to summoning that give the beasts agency of their own for that reason. For example, while itís possible to force a beast to do exactly what you want, it takes a lot more energy/willpower, so itís in a Summonerís best interest to have them acting voluntarily. In the anime, Vigor and Capella (canine creature who Hikaru Ďadoptedí and armored sea monster who Ascot controlled at the Selece Shrine) were, IMHO, good demonstrations of how an adaption can positively expand on the original source. While you can infer from Ascotís words in the manga that the beasts are separate entities from himself, in the anime, thatís depicted by those two acting contrary to what Ascot wants and him having to convince them otherwise. Capella especially. After all, thereís no point in taking over a creatureís mind if they donít have a will of their own.

As such, I like to think that for a good Summoner, their relationship with the ones they summon is a partnership freely entered into by all parties. Itís possible to force the beast into service, but only by overpowering their will, and the strongest beasts tend to have strong wills of their own. In addition, I headcanon that particularly strong creatures can break out of whatever extra-dimensional space the Summoner keeps them in on their own.

Anyway, back to the ĎToo many Summoners gave themselves a bad nameí hypothesis, Iíd think if that were the case, it would be something brought up in canon. I mostly dropped the idea of Summoners being the problem because when Ascotís describing the issue, it comes across like peoplesí problems are with the beasts themselves. Also, in that scenario, Umiís advice shouldnít have been ďStand up for them!Ē but rather ďStand up for yourself!Ē Doesnít mean itís not possible, just doesnít quite fit neatly into canon as we know it.

Donít think Iíve seen you around before, so nice to meet you!

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(Where did all the Ascot thoughts just come from?)
*taps fingers together evilly* All according to keikaku.

... Yes, thatís all I came in here to say. (Might have more thoughts later, just catching up on everything)

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Having a few thoughts about Umi today!

Mainly, her relationship with her parents, and how it's really good. In the Spring of Eterna, when the apparitions of her parents attack her and Emeraude asks them if their loved ones would ever want to cause them this much pain, Umi can give a definitive no, absolutely not. She has absolutely no doubt that they love her.

In some ways, Umi comes across as spoiled, but it's not an 'affluenza' spoiled. She's lived a life where she's never had to do without, yet it doesn't seem like there was a faulty degree of indulgence. Her parents seem like the kind that would actually take appropriate action to curb the behaviors if they found out she was bullying someone at school and admonish her not to think lesser of people of lower status than her. They've also allowed her to develop her own personality without too much insistence on following norms.

I also feel like Umi would have a low tolerance for bad parenting, just because, "Well, my parents did great with me, of all people, what's your excuse?"

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Yasashiku Dakasete / Re: 2017 Week 12: Episodes 45-49 (Finale)
« on: June 22, 2017, 01:52:48 AM »
Ultimately, after Eagle dies, I somehow enter a state of AGGRESSIVE APATHY about everything that happens afterwards. There's just so much that feels so utterly WRONG I just can't. Like, I can admit that other than that ONE FUCKING SCENE, episode 44 was still a decent episode.

But episode 49? Just no.

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Yasashiku Dakasete / Re: 2017 Week 5: Episodes 17-20
« on: June 22, 2017, 12:56:39 AM »
One interesting thing of note about the story in the first season: The battles against (most of) the villains are almost never won over by the brute force, or when it is, it's all three of them together. So, instead of a DBZ like progression in which the villains just get stronger each time, you have villains that are, at least while fighting individually, all indeterminately stronger than the Magic Knights (indeterminately other than being weaker than Emeraude and Zagato).

This is a little more apparent in the manga, actually. Alcyone? Undone by getting too cocky and not taking the Magic Knights seriously enough. Ascot? Made to realize that what he was doing wasn't right by his friends. Caldina? Convinced it wasn't worth the paycheck (possibly because Zagato decided to pay her up front like an idiot). Lafarga? Accidentally set on fire which broke the mind control. And Zagato and Emeraude were both defeated by all three together.

Just interesting to think about.

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Yasashiku Dakasete / Re: 2017 Week 7: Episodes 25-28
« on: June 22, 2017, 12:29:15 AM »
Zazu is such a Mashin fanboy. I mean, seriously, he literally climbs Geo so that HE can be the one to make the report and thereby gush about the Mashin to Eagle. And actually, now I'm wondering if he might have Asperger's. Because I have it and although I'd never climb someone to create one, I will take any chance I get to gush about whichever of my fandom obsessions I've been thinking about most recently.
As a fellow Aspergian, I am totally down for him also being on the spectrum. Might be a bit of why shipping him and Ascot (who I also headcanon as on the spectrum) came so easily to me after actually considering it. (That and the whole cute color-coded boyfriends with hats deal)

Also, everybody on Cephiro (except for Ascot, Caldina, and Lafarga, who did not appear) got a turn with the Idiot Ball in episode 28 for letting Hikaru actually leave the castle only accompanied by a guy half of them don't trust. Like, how was that not a horrible idea?

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Yasashiku Dakasete / Re: 2017 Week 11: Episodes 41-44
« on: June 17, 2017, 06:41:56 AM »
Okay, I had an epic capslock rant on episode 44 because of that one scene that forever supplies me with salt, and I will now share this with you. Warning for language and rage, I'd put it under a spoiler tag if there was one.
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WHAT SORT OF PRE-LABOR LAWS FACTORY PRODUCED BULLSHIT IS THIS?! WHO THE FRIGGIN FUCKIN HELL THOUGHT THIS WAS OKAY?! WHO?!
WHY WOULD YOU MAKE ME HATE UMI LIKE THIS, WHY?! DID YOUR MOM NOT LOVE YOU ENOUGH AS A CHILD?! WELL NO WONDER SHE DIDN'T IF EVERYTHING YOU DID WAS AS SHIT-FOR-BRAINS AS THIS!
ASCOT JUST PUT HIMSELF OUT THERE LIKE HELL, HIS FRIENDS LOVE HER AND HE LOVES HER, AND HE'S NOT EVEN ASKING ANYTHING OF HER, HE JUST WANTS TO HELP, GODDAMMIT! LOOK AT HIS FACE, THAT IS THE FACE OF SOMEONE WHO KNOWS REJECTION IS A GOOD POSSIBILITY AND IS BRACING THEMSELF FOR IT! AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE UMI DO?
YOU HAVE HER FUCKING FAKE HIM OUT! YOU GIVE ASCOT ONE INSTANCE OF THE BLISS OF MUTUAL AFFECTION AND THEN SEND HIM CRASHING WHEN HE HEARS THE REST OF THAT MEALY-MOUTHED FAUXJECTION THAT DIDN'T EVEN GIVE HIM THE DIGNITY OF BEING SURE SHE HEARD HIM RIGHT!
OH, BUT I KNOW SHE UNDERSTOOD! UMI'S TOO PERCEPTIVE NOT TO GET IT! PEOPLE WHO SAW ASCOT FOR TEN SECONDS ON A VIEWSCREEN SAW THIS COMING, SHE HAD TO HAVE HAD SOME FORESIGHT AND THAT JUST MAKES IT WORSE! SHE FUCKING PLANNED THIS REACTION! UMI PLANNED TO IGNORE THE REAL SENTIMENT ENTIRELY AND JUST ACT LIKE HE WAS SAYING IT PLATONICALLY!
THAT'S HOW YOU REACT TO CONFESSIONS FROM KIDS! YOU DON'T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY BUT YOU DON'T EXPLICITLY REJECT THEM, EITHER! FUCKING HELL, DON'T TREAT ASCOT LIKE THAT! HE'S WORKED TOO DAMN HARD TO TURN HIMSELF AROUND, HE'S SAVED HER LIFE SEVERAL TIMES, THE LEAST SHE COULD DO IS NOT INEXPLICABLY ACT LIKE HE SOMEHOW CAN'T HANDLE A REJECTION WHEN SHE THOUGHT HE COULD HANDLE ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY FOR SOME OF HIS CLOSEST FRIENDS' DEATHS BACK IN THE FIRST SEASON! GIVE HIM SOME FUCKING CREDIT, GODDAMMIT! LOVE HIM, HATE HIM, BUT DON'T YOU DARE FUCKING UNDERESTIMATE HIM!
MAYBE IF WE ACTUALLY GOT AN EMOTIONAL REACTION THAT WASN'T PATRONIZING MAKE-BELIEVE, IT WOULDN'T FEEL THAT WAY! MAYBE IF SHE ACTUALLY SEEMED TO FELT A BIT GUILTY ABOUT TURNING HIM DOWN DESPITE KNOWING IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, OR EVEN GOT A BIT UPSET BECAUSE "NOW IS NOT A GOOD TIME FOR THIS, ASCOT!" I'D RATHER HAVE AN EXPLICITLY BAD REACTION THAT COULD'VE BEEN RESOLVED WITH AN APOLOGY/EXPLANATION OF SORTS LATER THAN THIS WEAKSAUCE TRYING TO MASK A PILE OF BOTULISM BURRITO SHIT!
IF I CAN'T HAVE MY OTP, I JUST WANT TO BELIEVE THAT UMI ACTUALLY DESERVES THAT SELFLESS LOYALTY THAT ASCOT'S SHOWN HER IN THE SECOND SEASON! I BELIEVE IT IN THE MANGA, IS IT TOO FUCKING MUCH TO ASK TO BELIEVE IT IN THE ANIME? I BOUGHT EVERY VHS WAITING FOR THAT ORCHARD SCENE AND YOU SERVED ME A PLATE OF RADIATED SEWER RAT TESTICLES INSTEAD! FUCK YOU! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKK YOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUU!
... Wankers...
Now, after this, I want to make one thing perfectly clear, because we live in a world where some boys feel justified in killing a girl just because she didn't want to go out with him and I do not, in any little way, want to encourage that. In fact, after getting into a lot of feminist theory, I tried to revisit this scene, wondering if it would get better on rewatch with that in mind.

It didn't. It still felt unforgivably obnoxious, it still didn't feel like a real reaction Umi would have unless she thought she was dealing with a child. If this had happened much earlier in the season, while she was still getting used to the whole sudden growth spurt deal, that might be a bit more excusable, but at this point, after we've confirmed that he really has changed for the better and seen him pretty much take a bullet for her, that seems like a slap in the face to Ascot's character development. (Also, if they wanted to imply that her problem was still seeing Ascot as a kid, they shouldn't have made her love interest the 745 year-old in a ten year's body. Tarta would've served much better in that regard)

But seriously, Umi didn't need a reason to not feel the same about Ascot. Not feeling it is enough, and neither myself or Ascot would want Umi to pretend to like him romantically if she doesn't. (Of course, being a fictional character in a series with various canons, whether she does or could like him is totally up to interpretation) And actually, several of the other elements in this subplot show that this idea had good potential, between Ascot just being refreshingly okay with Umi not liking him the same/still thinking she's awesome/still heading out to save her life regardless and Caldina's own reactions to her little brother falling in love and then getting his heart broken. Like, I can forgive a lot of bad things happening to my faves if I feel like it's part of a good story. So much of this anime just felt like pieces of a good story that they tried to sew together with bacon because the deadline was near and they were drunk and it seemed like a good idea at the time.

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Yasashiku Dakasete / Re: 2017 Week 5: Episodes 17-20
« on: June 17, 2017, 04:41:25 AM »
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Of course I'm in agreement that Innouva would've made a better season two main villain than Debonair. Also, if they knew he was staying around a little longer, maybe Ascot, Caldina, and Lafarga could've had their big character moments at the shrines where it had more Impact and Meaning overall instead of them having to change things around to fit Innouva in the schedule.

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I've said it before, I'll say it again: On a scale of Alcyone to Ascot, how well do you cope with unrequited love?

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On not mentioning Innouva, yes, I think this instance can be possibly be explained with my one of my favorite pet peeves with the anime, them not really thinking their changes to the plot lines/characters through. This can be considered almost an inevitable problem when trying to rush out an anime adaptation before the manga's finished. Or it might just be that they're pretty sure Innouva's dead now (well, providing they recognized that beast as Innouva, I can't remember off the top of my head whether they did or not).

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Why could they not make Emeraude's Mashin a centaur like it was in the manga? *cries*

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Yasashiku Dakasete / Re: 2017 Week 4: Episodes 13-16
« on: May 04, 2017, 01:51:26 AM »
Episode 13
This episode was seriously dragged down by not having the fight occur in the Sky Shrine, although the bit near the end where Umi says Caldina has to be okay because Ascot is willing to defend her with his life helps to redeem it somewhat.
A few more scenes like this could've helped redeem the direction they took in the second season. Just, you know, Umi showing that she really does care about Ascot, even if it's all platonic rather than romantic, and not just when he happens to save her life (and no, the beginning of episode 44 does not count, it will never count!).

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Yasashiku Dakasete / Re: 2017 Week 3: Episodes 9-12
« on: April 19, 2017, 02:10:39 AM »
It's not about whether or not Ascot deserved it, cause yeah, I totally agree he did. It's just that in the manga scenario, that slap could legitimately be considered an act of self defense, but in the anime scenario, it wouldn't be. The difference is whether or not there was an immediate threat to her or her friends' lives at the time.

Of course, that only really matters if we're to bring some of our own world's laws and understanding of self defense into this fictional setting, and it's not like Ascot would be trying to sue her for it or anything. The only reason I even found it worth mentioning is, again, it's a scene of someone slapping another person that's clearly smaller and physically weaker than them and we're expected to take the side of the one doing the slapping. It was handled just fine in the manga, there was no need to shift the circumstances, but they did, and Umi ends up a little less awesome as a result.

It's like, I don't mind changes to the original, I just want those changes to be for the sake of making things better or more interesting. At the very least, changes shouldn't harm the essence of the story that's being told, unless said story is such crap that changing the essence is the only way to make it any good.

But, anyway, back to the first episode in this set. Ascot learns valuable life lessons about not taking drugs offered by strange women trapped in waterfalls. Not even if they say they can help your friends. Umi accepts that she'll have to save Cephiro before she can see her girlfriend Captain again. And Mokona just let themselves be frozen just for funsies, I guess.

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Honto no Shiawase / Re: Fancasting!
« on: April 18, 2017, 02:51:00 PM »
BTW, take this thread as seriously or not as you like. A chat discussion had us casting Angelina Jolie as Zagato, Lantis, and Alcyone, Nick Offerman as Clef, and Dwayne Johnson as Mokona. Don't lie, you'd totally go to see that in theatres.

It would be great if, when casting seriously, if a character's culture is defined, you try to stick to actors/actresses from that culture, though. So, at least partially Japanese actresses for the Magic Knights and their families, Indian for Chizeta (I make an exception for Caldina because Nicki Minaj is too perfect a fit to cast otherwise), and Chinese for Fahren.

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