I can never quite decide with Umi and Ascot and Clef, because they ALL end up in the middle of shit and all probably protest loudly about it

I am horribly tempted to say that they're all mostly person B, in fact. Umi certainly person B's her way about Cephiro when they first get there! But probably people looking at them from the outside think that they're: A = Umi, B = Ascot, C = Clef, and then are confused when Clef (mr 'oh I'll just support the whole land without a pillar system and make dynamic moral choices that may lead to the end of my world and STICK TO THEM and maybe I'll just hang out in this nonsense anime room I'm not meant to get into and shield the whole damn castle by myself') is the one who tends to wade into shit and be person A, Umi protest and launches into it anyway in a B ish fashion, and Ascot tries to avoid at all costs but he will DEFEND HIS FRIENDS and gets dragged into things anyway as C.

Unless the crazy bullshit is to do with helping the over-powerful mage children of Cephiro at which point Ascot and Clef are both A and signing adoption forms all over the place and Umi is standing in the background, person C, going WHAT JUST HAPPENED AND WHY ARE THERE CHILDREN??

Among Hikaru, Lantis, and Eagle, Lantis is always Person C, but I think that Eagle and Hikaru are equally likely to be Person A or Person B.

Haha, i saw that, its pretty funny.

Person A= Hikaru
Person B=Eagle
Person C =Lantis

Though if you replaced Hikaru with Geo it would be
A= Eagle
B= Lantis
C=Geo

Somariel shared this on the chat and we didn't discuss it then for reasons. The original post I saw came from birdsquirrel on tumblr:

every ot3 has these very important roles:

person a, who runs headlong into crazy bullshit
person b, who acts like they're too sensible to run headlong into crazy bullshit, but is really just as bad as person a
person c, who actually tries to avoid running headlong into crazy bullshit, but keeps getting dragged into it by the other two anyway

A lot of what Suz said covered why I don't like Alcyone much. I suppose to be fair she's only in that one volume in the manga so it's hard to say too much about her. Was she in love with Zagato or the idea of him? Did she work under him for Emeraude for years and developed a huge love/admiration for him? Is she really trying to win his affection or is she happy with just serving him? It's hard to say. Though her anime only version gives the feeling she really is trying to win his affection, with apparently no idea he has eyes on for Emeraude until she over hears him tell Emeraude as much.

Bottom line, she's shallow, maybe if she had lived longer in the manga she could have had more to her. Like Caldina and Ascot get in season two. To be fair Lafarge gets about as much development as she does and about as much page time.

Her outfit never really bothered me I guess? She wants to dress sexy have at, Caldina sure does, no one calls her sluty for it.

I'm highly amused at the thought of traditional courting being a thing in Cephrio. Is it only the nobles, or do even the lower class and farmers do it?

Honestly it's not really come up in Ice and Snow really, so that's part of the world building I haven't had to really do much with. Everyone is like in the baby stages of relationships anyways, like Hikaru and Lantis is a thing, but at the moment it's not super serious? Fuu and Ferio have the most...serious relationship I guess? Though since Umi and Eagle are the main focus of this story their relationship isn't talked about a whole lot. Other than gossip about Fuu being Queen, though I suppose if Feiro is still considered a prince she'd be a princess, royal consort? IDK. There's some talk of Eagle and Umi's relationship, if it becomes serious being something of a hotbed of issues. But considering what happens to Eagle as the end it becomes a non issues by then really. I guess I tend to hand waive a lot of it. haha.

I'd imagine Autozam is a lot like the U.S but more relaxed about it? Or I guess if you wanted things to be interesting you could have part of the nation leading very rightwing because of all the bad shit going down there. Not that you know, it's short on political drama already.

~TRADITIONAL COURTING~

I keep changing my mind about what it involves but I think there's a THING

....................................I'll come back to this when I'm not failing to work out a presentation for work tomorrow XD

I don't hate her. She's exactly the same as Zagato, only difference is he actually violates the wishes of the person he cares for, she works towards what the person she cares for wants.

On that score I'm pretty certain she's winning.

She also at least in the manga never says anything about wanting Zagato to reciprocate her feelings, just that she wants to help him, because she loves him.

...................I mean on the one hand she's Zagato again and on the other hand she's Clef, except Clef is loyal to Emeraude's wishes and torn by it, and Alcione is loyal to Zagato's wishes and not torn by it. She puts the person she cares for before the rules.

She's a mirror to both of them, she's the dark side of Clef's devotion, she's the better side of Zagato's, and then there's Emeraude. Who throws the people away - even herself. At some point I'm going to actually sit down and write a fic which tries to pull that out and look at it,~ but probably I'll end up writing at least one of the Emeraude/Alcione fic first XDD

Quote from: Akira on October 29, 2012, 07:51:08 PM
So i read in one of the old topics how someone would love to read something related to Ferio and Umi has Best friends, here is just a thought: two wealthy families, starting with, how Umi will find a boyfriend if she is in a girls school? like Milieva said ,easy the mothers would play mtachmaker introducing both children, being Ferio and Umi but what the parents whould not know is that they dont love each other in that way, only friendship, so they use this facade to date their real loved ones, being and older man for Umi (Clef) and a girl of middle class (Fuu).

If no one else is going to write it, I might have to at some point, because this needs to exist.  Will poke the idea for a little while and see what I come up with. I do have a number of WIPs I am currently working on but there can never be enough Umi and Clef fics in the world for me.

Whether or not you believe Cephiro has a concept of marriage, you probably accept there is some form of courting or dating in Cephiro.

What do you think those particular traditions might entail?  Or what sort of traditions have you written?